Court Of Queen's Bench, Thursday, April 25. :r ol fi s .qk h ta . e - a 'Ji. *s;ar<,^+.,::brnfn g elL, the,oths as v.Baro,l - li k& tigJa^bi *Dt 0 the Beneh.thiimnorsiia~g. Tbo AitQ^8?i;?-ENgRN% reemned bis,argmout in this 7,aas#g -Iff>jld rnw'resuuie his Arypimint acoordlug tthe '*bttzaei 1asdproposed, and most. re"3otfully -deonyjg the 4 a ;a t cssiinmptios of nurWdiction,lTYwoiudipraceed o ar'iSe tbe q0estio DSQ a memenr of Parliament might do ia ~it se of Cot ons :mndw~ sshow that thi House of Gom- isn? ht tskfftlIYcrdst the~ poblicatloun of any ropQrts or t*^tS 'lDHi tO{Oratiotie 9bhich mad part of:t ta pm- -k0drigi,ld.tie utibiiclZiox of wbieh it-raight judgoaneo- to thea.prfornaom of itafauctious,,or to. ubliointeresti aiitboug1tthey~ Sigi bt.baoof acrimntory. en h ptibloatie vthauthority mightth thebjeet of'Otion or ftdiat t. ho c hadth)s -e ot" of coisrsee '0 nctior cu1d b0 z*iinod, for raktivas {ieirr dexercise of tOat pow9 . Eo wnald noirnseoXW1atj ^gestion Obefore thel VW. . He undtitoo&it to. be oon-, Si,3<tthit juohter4portsof mp*i>eIrlh oiSncfxoas Y*f6,o!3enberftbstommer and 1tnZAbija ightbo estri- th mon tbem * it tba eirnadif t bo couruinO4 to ,,-?Qjj1d; U"reUlCO to t4ispitlA saft!Cov csr cop inqulrq, ziftrstbo FiiitnacvQ the prii ego. It cg1 iq 6he cAing5nfir5 og?*eel^l,ofliuJrlh V Jut the q ' oe5tio .a wi wp L tp th H -wooild %~Gw consider 4tpraooftigo .p7sqiences a j.iatab ~ = iet:.heoA Hot limt0 W.' St t o r o rt' i v&laneto H %tinihofWrda t d l6 bIeh in4ivijoe1 wk* comgplained IC waofo wrtlO at 69fore Lord>Denmxnthe argurnents nnd authoritie whiohI o-umbly apprebond tr ? esentially neaewsry to be, considired before aiy couclusion or zatisfacttry judgment coould bo given .up. aSqueaion of such diffloulty. and magnitudo.. Ri, L.tohlwi, b wv er,.crtb.in1y dtd,hiwiogMttin more tz ot odtthoquostianumnd e:pr9ssOd(aonopi tha thbe order.gf tIe Eloitee of Cdm.monawonld.2not amOunt .toa:xjitificationibut Dnutvoh at withtithe. Oa nr which has.ev#r.distingnsh.qd tht (rAbxjudgoj hif, 'Lordahip. 'wiMl;aotin.the *sligktesi dogiI tinside-.NhimseltIiouna bpauiopiniou expresed under &vowe4ery littloeof th: c.- Mv Lordgj this iethe enly a 'thbity against which rhaimyto, atmtg1ej .and trmst y, my Lorde4 with that.bolIdnedz Ahich IAhopeqileveridiotingUsht all ad vocat *.o4i: bar, thM undor the eirumsticescak thb cso, that opinion ae expreMed ia suitAtitjletto. aiJ ygreat. aeiglt, '!if itW4U CntiUodi Ito.oh3 iPohtP. itimpCec with .*ha*.f^ .of E@,uthority. wIijbo migp l >yp, been uQed. :In3U~~ppqrt,i j~of;. ldoctrine .hr .whihk-L n'io eoaZnd. lt.LoK4, ij:mAspcqueafty to. t U -bqe.,hr, ,cen at inrestigatiolnf rbea aubject, anil i. oiir.1Lrdrna;M i A inquiro iuiitoftb jP8 O o? privege,dtoexa ine .tee [.proceedlngjoZ ,*ii 1 i 6ntupon.tUl;!iiNiqupb p :thW A e |nurrer, I apprehondA 4asgooupeh4 ,vwbh ro acroutf 24 y . . rIUo {thtlg toPyery gnat rnapetf, and gnat wemiigIsnbsequontiy tf tl@d to Wery great roopsct, nd very great weight4n vthe coa- stt itwecoiicede& th o e 7 @e snigthr be distributed amsong the mnebnbera of-tho otherhse, or he ilir husemigt cIl..r- coy ad reprint the pb.1c I lcaten ~t hatwoud b th siuatonof a person against whom i.r mintb ciilaorym~triabd, jta- bets of tho House of Lords and the tnemothof the Iob of Commons, as alleged; migbt 'read.,this charge. If they Iapt it to themselves, he thought- it -would be no very agree- ablesitatin i wholsa person vrould he pll&fed,cto forfet tbo good opinion of to whes good bpiblon bdst be 6 in- tortant to te. us wo the tnbmy keep it to theoaelvsotb ne : d this relder not cirouletelI and Yet the obiet of it weual be deprived of all means of.eindication. Ile. would observe tie averted tacesosof tshis pitrins, hbi frrands, ad acqnuAintances, and meightrea wholly igorant of' theiietbe to which it was to be aoritbed; heoauld weot vindicate himself for he could iot get a copy of the publication, it must be for, hidden to him. Ablrthis arese withtin the limits to wbicb it wras admitted the public might lawfully be' exteuded;& But would it no, be mish better that houshould bo llowed to pro- curora copy, that ho ihould k-nowthe'jreumataknm paof the charTo against bim, that be should-~ haLve an Opportunity of meeting 4nd 'iefuting it, that he might taVte the Varsousmeans which beloniged to any person who e, ebariatei Was impro. parly assailed ofjustifyin~ his conduct- andsin-tdicatirig' his innocene! Theeneracirculation, tlerefa're, of thosepub. lications, he contended, wouldI be of adyantage to those whose cbaracters might be assailed ini them.' Sup~iesing a miember of the House of Commons visited, his constituents, and a chasge was brought against him -with regard to some vote he had given or conduct he had pureupd, mnight he not mnake use of a report that had.~oen, pubL Isabdj, t)s.e auth6rity of the house, mighit be 4ot ed tfo tkihustings, and defend himself, and show tha Ihd en'just 'r6presentative of the people l Ho conevdio uet e, that that might be done which the homie~mioie,adI theouse authLorized a ~sibibatbn?osene~Uiforatin, o ne could possibly siner rtycifnmeenes e labl toa ivil or criminal pro- cedre or ctig uder that atoseority ; no inconvenLience ~~~~~would bre,ndtee ol ba certain role for the guidance of he uee's ubjct. He would now,then.cosssider theqhos' tio oVrivleo i theeways. .Hen'ould Brstghbwtb~e;neiis- aitferitsQxasnc ;secondly, that-itjiad),een exercised; and thrdly, t~hat the exercise. of the privileige had been acuiec Wi. He thodught the necessity fir the'prileitee wihreg ar to the use of themiembters would show alsot te necessity with regard to the gsneral circulation for the in- formiation of the public. If it were Lecessaryfor, the membears, it was equally requisite for their constituents. With regard to the votes ef the trulse of Commons and the journals ot the House Sf Lord,, theo votes f- the -Housei of Commrons were regularly printed, they were notice to all ths world, and a11. persona were hound to take notice of the cont eAts of thp v'ota. Th-journals of tisi Eouse of Lorls were p i junot. Arty ps' mon had a right t6talce a copy of any palet of themi in whtoh he was iniereatosh-, Would ,auy .acttmotrlie, ganst the 8peakeor of the gouaaod. Cemmonsr ga,st the orid Chancellor presiding ini the House ef'Lur4a forS6raeiin - these votes and journaLlkto ba'prifiitd'!' Ths le3ftid6 then cited authorities to-show that this privilegeobad existed ror upwards of two centuries, during which time also- the erivilege had been exercised ~ Ipd he then urged that from ~he time of Jamnes if. to the petted wvhe tite' pren atiot siad been commenced no action had been brongh, no init nment had been preforrtd. IfCthis actioni coold ho matintained, cl1 th rcei fthe houso ecigkt bo overhauled, nud actions commenced foc.,-what hid tken place long see.who wers -the jaAges d'&)ethertbey~,~re3rb, tgeat-oof-ve-mneratei~ibem pwofe"16hdnan'4 *fts gi the.aohbjcotAhe greatesi. 4;Gnj. gOtA iffyrt.pps-otMhc~hyI. 'wheIaI ubW. tE& h6hodr- t6 address Air. Tinerd :8iiW, Tollett, ilosHern. C; -P Villidis,,8it. P. Pollock., X4r.-Ioebock, Lord Stariley,.,ir-G- -Stricklamdp Sir 1t~,Ie~is,.~r SsJ_p,nt. WiId; ,-Sir G' .Clerk,tand Air, bf'SrW'.llet 'wseiI'heM on~walns to ie4a Onng I wilIventui-e tesasy hU ixeone, of, the grfttest 1*kwyera tht eGIpr.appcMI'qd in tWi5t1or inyoAgs,in,zlbe Disitori.Of.Englandi tI?14YAI&RfiaMye)(-o Xouti6iVghi5s6WeSIsXn,order an ornaieht to It, ii itillkne da~ prehablrjI'jIt isp5itj aur4 after a eireful irvsiat ,o're et, alhboriong r~sqarqb_ and a due co i4persAioni of. what fell from, Lord to thp kesolution ihai &g,ipsivil- does belont~hefbe of'Odihoh~ns;'and thitt~he'H6hh o g tib6i~ 'hdtb that ptisiJege could not exerciseltj:fan6tctiQn. There i.~hisedi&- seAtieut4-a :n~o8tespegttn6frludividual,-'whe was herm jester.. day, SiriB Inglis-ho diassented,jbuti with thtis exception, the timtcwas uqav.4imuxt,-andii - we aeo efrtoaio rW~siribi au~ee, ~w~ud 'er, youi Lorrd lito th9 eeh'df Sir R.Ftel cu:fai-ta~'~bJed,dI0f t conetibtiioniL and 4#8~1 learning.' MyLrg l hs nl vidqalsiconcnrre4.. iniithis re4silftioni. I a eotdt- house.; it was adopted ky the h .otme, atr icsinad disisi0nu,PPOIs wlicah ihere'weie12q i vpsoph.eoU-. tiJi~;A'bd'ot 38' against 1tld&-ing aort lnk ~ u of thb 5&3Ol1itO5i'S9D. NewV 'My OidS' aio el hnl *ithrgreat respect, that tbatopinlonZ 'emd'~~l.ed so0.4dq.ptp d4'ffyour Lerdabips, are t6 conie.tentsin s one entiOle to.vqry gr at. weight at yo.L rps'sd; I~ ui?nasy, w~ithout dizresppOt,_that i.mywi~teot mlon Which ra%y have beeii expiesstba'idvdt1 iw ev&t etnident'his 'stationi of ho*&eve pro li ~rne. MyLords, I have now-ooncluded myaluetIhaed- chbarged my dnty to the beet of my a iiy -wil maake seo. apology to your JaDrdships for the time I hv cuid e ..... humbly apprebind' that in arguiga c qelsn tht* portion of' timne is' to be ob'eerfully'dvti oi hc itamprtance d6zerrdil, enad; hpop no prio'f~~~i canha Ppconsideied as'baving.beeu wxste&iL MyLis 'oas-d riot axy.~asl htave souieti'mr dane, tbihe,lamgdicred y u~flesof the Hojiasof- Commons ai l' ;e~rgt they ae, to he iformedof th. tprce aregso taleir -VU_?_fl . O?- o eU5. iouse of Commons be placed, or he would say the Lord Chaneellor. because ho wes speakor of tho House of Lords ! Lord BROUGr.AM.-Mr. Attorney,- the Speaker([ the House of Lords need not be a membsr'eyen of that house. The ATTONCEY-GENgRAL.-NO, my Lord, sad I remember a very lively instance of an tIlustrious individual taking his :eat as Lord Charceller and Speaker of that House witiout even being r peer. (Referring to Lord Brougbam himself.) Bet tha 42 GJeorge III. was a demonstration that the Legis- lature conceived that.the ,iblicatiso was not to be for the members alone, because it gave members power to send Par, .lismentary papers free of postage to their constituents for the u aso ef the r v which of Itbol clearly showed that the pub. lication vwas for the information of the publio. It had been ,said, the House ef Commons qould noto an e the law4s.; but .you wero not to assume they had not the right in order to deprivq tbem of that right; You munt prove they had not the right. It wvs then said there was a wrong, and that there was no redress for it; but you was not to sesuome thero was a wrong, you roust prove it to be so-tbere must be the con- lunction of the damnusa and (he itnuria. No action would lie cigainst a witness for the ividence he might give in a court o,i3ustice-no actien would lie against counsel for any thinic h4o might soy in the discharge of bis nay in a court ofjustice ne action would lie for a cornsmitment bvthe IHouse of Com. mons: P;itey bad no remedy, Lord Shafteshury had no remedy; and rw,hy f-because you could not aivo n remadv wILuOU; UeprlYlpg tne tvwo ouses ot Parltiament of their pri- vilege, waih s oessaUti3l to the welfare. of the communit'y No action would lie forai confideiltial commnunication or lite- rary oriticism, so ttat It was not malicious and with a ie-w to private defamation. Hq need not -remind their. Lordshipa .that tho privileges of tb Hoise of Comrmons were inherctt tbey -were as anscient as the prerogrative of the Crown. They' woro the inherent birthright of Englisaon. ,There was a marked digtinctiUon. betweeni publishinig thte debatta and pub. lisbing those pa ra; the house exercised its discretion as to what sbou d beo published and whet ahoald be kept secret. The object was to keepi secret from the Crown the measures that were ia agitation before the Ffouso of Commons, 60 as to prevent the Usber of the Black Rod beingadtenret tosunmpoCtu the khlouofor a dissolution. published, and.. that .a the u g should_he_paid Out of the Inflammatory speeohes wQuld be made, nad exorbitact damnogs would ba. gise;n indeed, we should not then havo one Stockdalo, but 5 0 Stockdales- who would all bring aon,.. It had been said, this privilege wao of re- cant origin, and that you must carry back the instances as far as Richard 1., but then that would deprive the House of Commons of all its privileges, bemause it did not exist as a geparate court of judicature beyond time of legal memory. The Court of Chancery could not be shown to havo existed beyond the time of lfgal memory: before the Uniformni-ty of Process Aot,-what was s%id to be the jurisdiction of that COurt itself was founded upon a fiction. The Court of Com- mon Pleas had its uaual jurisdiction upon a fiction ; it was ns older than Charles If., for then ac etiams and nec sons were unknown, The learned counsel then argued, that al- thouh there might be a loss, there was not always a remedy, for when a publication was unlawful the. party printing it might auffer, and ho thon cited the caso of " Stockdale v. Onwhyn," in which Stpckdile, the plaintiff in the present pro^eeding, brought an. action against a bookseller for ro- printing tho jvtnemi sUar.t*Uo Wilson, wb6oh Stockdale had fisrt publisbed ' -de.4ofenca..srtbat the publica- tion was imnioral- and it was held that the plaintiff wa9 unable to rbt v p zeisot plaintiff bimself hid thea takenud4aatageaE that deforrce withrespectto that very work. The printerof the workbrouFht anactioa againat Stockdalo, for Wis work and labour in printing the book, and for the paper he bad used. Tho def9nce set unpon that occa- sion was, that the work was of an immoral tendency. Air. Searjeant Vaughan, woawwas counsel for the printer, asked the Judge& whethee it was possiblo that [r. Steckdala could set up such a defence., Lord Chief Justice Best,. who tried the 6aua,e decideo that he might, and tho plaintiff was nonsuited. It was therefore clear that there must b a right as well as a loss, in order to give a sood cause of action. The learned counsel then cited a large-body of authorities9 upeo the whole cse, and to show that courts of law had exercised tho privi- legc of forbidditig publicatlons of trials in their courts and ordering otharztoaepu tilished, and then said, "We now comne, my Lords to the case of ' Stockdals and Hansard,' trIed before'.,y LordDensman.. No doubt the greatest re- speot is to beszbown to any opinion of any Judge-sach as we have the happiness to me presiding in this court; but, cay Lord, 'with e aery respect, I must use the freedom to say that think , nder th pec lcllar circnmnstances of this casep his tordlsiehi,cself*wAll be of opieion that this case is to bo con- sidaewd assesissteqro,and will not consider himself to be bound by tho opinion he thn expressed. That,my Lords,was an action for a liel in publishing an extract from these very reporta. Two pleas were put upon the record-one.of not guilty,and the otber ajstifiestionofthe truth of tha charge. I knew no- thing of that cae until within two days of the trial, and had no opportanityof considering how. the pleashocld be framed- or preparing myBerf to' argue the censtitutional question be- fore Lord Donman. There boingajustification as to the truth of the charge, and boineg farnished with what I considered to be ineontrovertible evidi !tbl{lr-lhbolfiEearge, I had anti- o'spetsdutbMt rob!ably?ho other question that might ao started under the plea would meet with no doeision, ant that it would net btnocessarythat tbatquostion should call forth ay opinion from his Lordship. Ny Lords, I do notpresume at au to say. that the right course wsa not adopted, but Isay with since- rity it wial net the, coatrse I had anticipated, for if I hasd, I should~ have made ,.c effort to bo better prepared to~ mee8t the ?O5Cs L. diad thoisghe itprobablo' that Ihero being. ship would: have. taken tho opmionossf the aury upon that4, and if the2 heA.lowid it. was trni, the -plea would leave been .satiblisahd, and the. othet- questton -would havo. beoome whelly. nuoceisaay, dr -that,) if. his lordship had, told the jury. to como tb a idifferent oeiniox upon W-Xlestion oE such great ntagitiwtud and rmpeiartte;e and requiring suechpahiul and laborisus research, the oourts genora,lyadeptedo'n- questions of nauch less.difficulty and bupok'tanco, Slko point might have been saved forthe-opinion of the Court.- Uy -Lords, if that- coursel had been followed, je rdvantageXt le3wetvonld havo arisen.-tbat'this dicu..i,n =l1d.av"earn,unnecessary, a ndcjur ,r4ahipa veut4Iavo been eparedAthaipain .of this leng.oxrume#t I haryehad the honourto .addkdss to -ou; but, my Lords, I must say,;that n vtoo- nee ^ * sVne vehAliv ~~~~~instlsho >fwt a j.- at g I A uouZu uO congidered =seatid the remnotest ipM on on ,orLrd- skip. M'y s gcee esre ast prgu ib as odl mnfully, hut with perfect respet o the Court. I shold ba extremely sorry that anything that fell from me should bear Iuh -Onst?asOtsoo. In mys,my Lods,a Ieely '?neba that aybiug ebbielmd heb.er publiehed before the t~iiol and feel a nuOoh 8 toi: Lord9bihlp: thd t it is ef tbe ;greattst impertafnce tbat both 1jur,yuen an'd j edes should vz6eslyliave heenXbrouglht t- their attentien. my r LordtDENXAni.-XAon~t complain of anythingyoc, hlswr~d-, but ['tkink it is anuxiual. to ialuds tO,: P.o 1henicveo judi,oe I don't think it was aser deo before ton htIl of an igauv which they. wore to decide according te a'tborij. Crl ""I~VJ. -1* -Vk-,J-3 -U~V --&&It WIIL L]&YO Cl oyportunityo 'replyipg, d am; onfined to one opportunty o ,ddregs,; but, m4y Lords, .I trust with unbtunded coDfidence, that the case will reodiia a deliberate. an impar- tial, and ciidid cobideration fro'm'all yonr Lprdslipi. I? em not afraid of any pidconcelved opinion or xny opinion that may have been expressed; and more .lny Lords,. I am not afraid of the applause wohmc bas been bestowed.by some per-; soun whosompplause I must c6isider as rather inconsiderate and unthinking, upon heb nWblo and learned judgg for tho couars he oursued upon the subject. I know, my ordstEsc his Lordship-will be ready to sacrifice to the dischatge of hi% duty.any glory he may be. supposed to have acquired in this stroggle; he will consider it riht and jrst to administer the law according to the principles upon wNich' hisipro- decessQta have praceeded, and by which the laws ware estsblished. '3 'Lords, I 'tbink there'' har been *inpro- per reference niade to this subjcot, natdi I tbink very improperly to the oaths of the judges, ai if the oaths of the. judges required that they should decide. against privilege. MtlyLords, theoaths of the judges9as lapprehend, require that they ahould duly admtniste? the law of the laud arcording to the doctrine ofthat liw as it has'been expoueded by these whe haive preceded-themrand if privilege be part of the law, and of these who were ontending for it as part of their privilce, it v.ould be accordicg to the oaths of thfjudges that that prsiLege should be recognized and respeted M ody Lords, I will yoLnds hi rmteindingut your Lordrdips oery respectfuy of 'the advice gixen by Lord Bacon to C juJte in' ths Common Pleas when be was sworn in-that ho wotld take Gare to contain the jurisdiction of the Court withinthe nscient mereiteneswithoutremovingtsu Snarkc. My Lords, w will remind your Lordship of the memorable wrords Tfyntr predecessor lord Teaterdes respecting privhilege. Lord Ten- rardon vvas one of the galaxy of which Chief Justice Porfescue nt,as the firet, containinp all the greatest names that bad u dornood the adiniy stration of the lawr in this country; different men, indeed, fromu Chief Justices Keeling and Jeffecies, and Scroggs. lMy Lord,'I would remind your Lordship' of the words of Lord Teuter- den when appliestion w3s made to him r or a prohibition to the Lord Chancellor, and wvhich he weulphifvorsaid had ther beenan an pplisation to hi for a prohibition to either house of ParliawDeat, as your Lordhips ma! imagine; hen ays, that was not to be undernteor as giving any sanction to the SUp- poset autbority of this court to direct a wrohiuitio to tie Lord Chancellor sitting in bankruptoy-' l'f evrer the ques- tion shall arise, the court whsoe assistahci mal y be invoked to. correct an excess of jtrisdiction in nother court willc with- out doubt, take care not to exered its ow.' ry lTords, I pray judgment for the defendant." Mr. CuRW oon, eD behalf of the plaintiff, thou said, that after the ver onseedhao his ld nd, and the variety of subjeert he had gone into, he would prefer a peti- tion to their Lordships to grant him till to-morrow morning to makeo his reply. Lord DiZwAN said that ho perceisa d in another case the plalitfw's counsel bad beou heard in Clilury Tors n the Attoruey-General had then asd leave givn himn till Easter 'erm, and after he hnd concluded his address the Court had given judgmzent the estee day. Mr. CUBWODD said he only asked till tomorroe e Lord Dslati observod, that they could not sacrifdce the rest of the term to thia case, and it would be impossible for Nr. Carwood to go into these matters to-uorrow morning; therefore the Court would tive him till next term. Mr. CUBiWOOD having thanked their L ordships, Lord Dmai AXn saidh t wish to sai that e did net know what trial was coming on when I went into Court to sit at .iu pns-c on, this trial on a former eccasion. I only heardsl ome- thiug of it by findb3g that the morning newapar.ers of London were ful of a debate which had occmrred in the Hsouse ot Cormrons 'reltive to circumstances that had taken place at the chombers of Mr. Justice Littlodalo, and I felt I was pls,oed in a situation of great difficulty, knowsing the jurn twer coming intorthesbex, havinggobtined ome in- formation t s to that very tral wyhich they were then to de- cide. That was the state of things when I came itto the court. I determinpd not to look at the particudars of that debate, lest anythig should fall frome me he ing the smallest reference to it. I cannot disguise that i felt the extreme in- conveniencof knoweing that when I wls preparing to try at case, and xry the issue respecting the rights of trio ndtoiri 4uals, that the case should not ohly hase been made tho sub- ject of discussion th the Houe of gomntonsk but that thatd- discussion should have been permitted to be bruited abroad in the streets of Lolden, hlrdly capable of vgoiding the eyes of those who ought to have ceme unpiedged intoethe box to ry the istue. With regard to what I said on that occasion I g wd, by referring to it, that the opinion I the writh great con- fidence exprlesed, thinking myself hound to declare that oeinions, us the Attorney-General had thought it right to rest on that clain of peivilegre-.I then stated that I did so subject tn any correction that the Court might think it p roper to ad- minister, and I will declare, seitwithatabding the reference toads to the publlcation:an.d. to other matters-whicha I think a new mode of arguing a question of demurrer upon a. point of law, that I shall bring my mind to the consideratior of this question totally unfettered by wvhat fell from me before, but perfectly 'loterminod to do my duty according to my sense of justice and to my belief of what the lawi is, without the least regard to that imputation whichmight perhaps have been in.- ferred, from some of the remarks made in the course of this argument, The Aros"nr-GwNaRAL immediately rose and addresed the CourL-kky Lord, I can assure your Lordship that I had -?W'gter,ot, At-alL 25. - -- - - -mmtnr k' OTRBER.